Bible Questions and Answers -  Revelation On The Holy Spirit (73 views) Subscribe   
  From:  SqueakyBrown   9/13/2004 6:03 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 19)  
 
  906.1  
 
HOLY SPIRIT 
FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT 
Rev 2:29 (MILK & MEAT) 
29 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."' 
2 Tim 1:7 
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 
Phil 1:9-11 
9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, 
10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, 
11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. 
2 Cor 9:10 
10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness, 
1 Cor 14:20 
20 Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature. 
Matt 3:8 
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 
Col 1:5-6 
5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 
6 which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth; 
Gal 5:22-23 
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 
GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MILK) 
1 Cor 12:4-11 
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 
5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 
6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 
8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 
1 Cor 13:9-13 
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. 
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. 
1 Cor 14:20 
20 Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature. 
Heb 5:12-14 
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 
(NKJ) 
VOICE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MEAT) 
John 16:13-14 
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 
2 Cor 5:5 
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 
John 14:26 
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 
James 2:26 
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:17 
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 
1 Cor 14:7-8 
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 
1 Cor 14:10-12 
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 
11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 
12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel. 
John 6:63 
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 
Gal 5:17-18 
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 
John 14:26 
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 
James 3:17 
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 
(NKJ) 
xxxThe milk is about 3 to 4 years long, and in that time you should know that the Holy Spirit is in you. There are 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit and you will receive one or more of them gifts as evidence that the Holy Spirit is in you. Then when you are sure, the Holy Spirit will take you into the meat of the Word one verse at a time. You should know what love is by this time. The milk took you to love and the Holy Spirit. Now the Holy Spirit will lead you with that love as the first step in the meat. And the Holy Spirit will lead you inside yourself with that love, to crucify the flesh(feelings & emotions)(unclean spirits). And this should last for atleast 11 years. 

 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     9/13/2004 2:36 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (2 of 19)  
 
  906.2 in reply to 906.1  
 
Although you have quoted scripture, your breakdown is not completely accurate.  Each person matures at their own rate.  Milk is referred to is the foundational teachings which gives the basis of Christ's doctrine.  The meat teachings are the mysteries of God which can only be had if one is filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.  

Your conclusion of timing is inaccurate for I have seen people receive Christ and the Holy Spirit in nearly the same moment with evidence of speaking in tongues.  This has nothing to do with timing as you have rendered it.  It may have happened to you this way, or to someone else, but this is not a qualified reasoning to suppose others should wait in this expectation. ~Minister Falcon

         

 
  
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  From:  SqueakyBrown   9/13/2004 5:52 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (3 of 19)  
 
  906.3 in reply to 906.2  
 
Tongues are for the unbelievers. Those who cant or dont believe they have received the Holy Spirit and it is a milk gift. 
1 Cor 14:22 
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 
(NKJ) 

1 Cor 14:19 
19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. 
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     9/13/2004 11:51 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (4 of 19)  
 
  906.4 in reply to 906.3  
 
Hebrews 5:12-14

 Spiritual Immaturity 

12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 


Hebrews 6:1-8
The Peril of Not Progressing 

1Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 
2 of the doctrine of baptisms [water and Spirit], of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 
3 And this we will do if God permits. 
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 
8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. 


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You said: Tongues are for the unbelievers. Those who cant or dont believe they have received the Holy Spirit and it is a milk gift.

The gift of tongues is for unbeliever TO BELIEVE on HIM.  

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You quoted 2 Cor 14.

Paul was teaching the church at Corinth the church order, nothing more, nothing less.  There is nothing in the bible that says that the gifts of the Holy Spirit is milk.  It is the elementry principles of Christ the first principles of the oracles of God that is considered milk.  ~Minister Falcon

         

 
  
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  From:  amym38     9/13/2004 11:55 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (5 of 19)  
 
  906.5 in reply to 906.2  
 
I will disagree that you have to 'speak in tongues' to get understanding of the deeper things of God.   I understand that your doctrine is more than likely of the 'Pentecostal' persuasion, right?   Well, I don't make my disagreement lightly and mean no offense personally.   Your assertion is not Scriptural is all.  

Oh yes, I forgot.  I will agree with you about the 'timing,' insofar as we do not know just how the Holy Spirit will affect any one of us.

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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     9/14/2004 12:18 am  
To:  amym38    (6 of 19)  
 
  906.6 in reply to 906.5  
 
You misquoted me Amy.  Here is what I said.

The meat teachings are the mysteries of God which can only be had if one is filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.  Any of the gifts are a mark of the Holy Spirit's infilling, but it is the speaking in tongues, not as the gift, but as the personal prayer language that gives primary evidence.  Case in point, my son received the Holy Spirit but his evidence was interpreting a tongue language accurately.  That was his evidence; however, two weeks later he actualy spoke in tongues.  

This is not a denominational debate, whether one is a pentecostal persuasion or not.  Please don't start mudsling against one's experience of the Holy Spirit.  That's on appropriate here to be speaking to one another with disdain.  I assist here as manager just like you, there should be no division or scism between us.

I make my remarks on the Holy Spirit with great care and long study and it is most certainly scriptural what I have written and teach the flock of my congregation this very truth. ~Minister Falcon

         

 
  
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  From:  amym38     9/14/2004 1:42 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)   unread  (7 of 19)  
 
  906.7 in reply to 906.6  
 
why the hostility?  I wasn't 'mudslingling.'  And I certainly did not intentionally 'misquote' you.  I was merely restating what I read and then I was stating my opinion on it.  

I believe that this is unscriptural:

"The meat teachings are the mysteries of God which can only be had if one is filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.  "

Show me in Scripture where to find this doctrine.

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   9/14/2004 8:19 am  
To:  amym38    (8 of 19)  
 
  906.8 in reply to 906.7  
 
TONGUES 
1 Cor 12:28-31 
28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 
30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 
31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. 
1 Cor 14:1-6 
1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 
3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. 
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 
1 Cor 14:9 
9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 
1 Cor 14:18-19 
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 
19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. 
1 Cor 14:22-23 
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 
23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 
1 Cor 14:29-30 
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 
1 Cor 14:8 
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 
1 Cor 14:10-11 
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 
11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 
1 Cor 14:13-17 
13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 
15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 
16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 
17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. 
1 Cor 14:21 
21 In the law it is written: "With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; and yet, for all that, they will not hear Me," says the Lord. 
1 Cor 14:23-24 
23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 
24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. 
1 Cor 14:26-28 
26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 
28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 
1 Cor 14:31 
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 
1 Cor 14:40 
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. 
1 Cor 13:8-10 
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 
Matt 7:21-23 
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 
Luke 6:46 
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say? 
Heb 5:12-14 
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 
(NKJ) 
Everyone who gets into christianity starts looking for evidence within themselves of the Holy Spirit. And they should. Now there are nine milk gifts of the Spirit. And speaking in tongues is the last one. All the gifts are signs for the weak in faith. The last milk gift seems to be speaking in tongues, but it is still a gift and it is still evidence. But speaking in tongues is evidence for the individual that they have the Holy Spirit. Because the individual is weak in faith. 
 
  
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  From:  amym38     9/14/2004 10:38 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (9 of 19)  
 
  906.9 in reply to 906.8  
 
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 


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Really, that about sums it up, but here are some links to articles on my forum:   

this first link actually goes to two articles in the same thread, but the link to 'alliance.net' doesn't come up with the articles.  I will try to go and find them-where they are now, that is.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/speakingtruth/messages?msg=292.1

this link goes to a big site--lots of stuff:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/speakingtruth/messages?msg=319.1

a post on 'charisma':

http://forums.delphiforums.com/speakingtruth/messages?msg=599.1

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  From:  amym38     9/14/2004 10:57 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (10 of 19)  
 
  906.10 in reply to 906.8  
 
http://www.alliancenet.org/CC_Content_Page/
0,,PTID307086|CHID560462|CIID,00.html

this link goes to articles at 'ACE'.  you'll have to scroll down a bit.

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  From:  inhiskingdom   9/16/2004 7:01 am  
To:  amym38    (11 of 19)  
 
  906.11 in reply to 906.9  
 
Hi Amy. 
Can I explain the scriptures about tongues being a sign to the unbelievers that I was given from the discernment of the Holy Spirit? 

In the 14th Chapter of Corinthians Paul was teaching to stop the confusion in the body of Christ with the gifts of the Spirit that were being used wrong and were not understood by the ones that were receiving the gifts because of being filled with His Spirit and had not been taught on the use of them. 

Notice Paul tells us in verse 13-15: Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret also. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, (in tongues) and I will pray with the understanding also. (from the interpretation of the tongues given) Notice this is the same as prophesying which will also edify the body of Christ, the church. 1st Corinthians 14-5. 

This is what Paul was teaching the Corinthians and us, when we are filled, how to use the gifts, how to understand them and to keep the confusion out of the body of Christ because of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 

Verse 22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: (what Paul was teaching) but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (which would be what Paul taught, to pray that they may interpret too) 

So if the Corinthians had obeyed Paul in praying that they may interpret too, after receiving the messages in tongues, which would be the same as prophesying that we are told to covet so the body of Christ can be edified, there would be no confusion. THEN, if they still would "not obey" and still just speak in the tongues without interpretation, the ones that are still speaking in only tongues without the interpretation, would be "unbelievers" of what Paul taught? NOT unbelievers of the word of God but what Paul was teaching them to omit the confusion. 

Notice if what you and others claim were truth that tongues were for a sign unto unbelievers in verse 23, what would the sign be, that the believers were mad? Since Jesus said that tongues will "follow" them that believe, do you think that Paul meant that we should give the unbelievers the idea that believers were mad? Would that allow the Holy Spirit to draw them to Jesus? 

Verse 23: If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 

In His Love 
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  From:  amym38     9/16/2004 9:39 am  
To:  inhiskingdom   (12 of 19)  
 
  906.12 in reply to 906.11  
 
Hi,

I understand you believe a certain thing about tongues, and I appreciate your trying to 'educate' me.   I have my own beliefs about tongues, and I believe also, that they are biblical.   But, again, I do appreciate your graciousness.

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  From:  inhiskingdom   9/16/2004 11:37 am  
To:  amym38    (13 of 19)  
 
  906.13 in reply to 906.12  
 
Hi. 
Do your beliefs come with experiences shown as they were in scripture? Would you care to explain them? 

In His Love 
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  From:  amym38     9/16/2004 12:33 pm  
To:  inhiskingdom   (14 of 19)  
 
  906.14 in reply to 906.13  
 
Experiences?   The only thing I've experienced in the way of 'tongues,' are the times I've been to 'charismatic' churches where everyone was babbling strangely.  It was creepy to me as a kid and as an adult.    

I have researched 'tongues,' though, and understand more now of what Scripture is speaking of when it talks of 'tongues.'   I won't sit here and belittle anyone's beliefs, but I will hold to my convictions about my own.

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  From:  inhiskingdom   9/16/2004 4:30 pm  
To:  amym38    (15 of 19)  
 
  906.15 in reply to 906.14  
 
Hi. 
<Experiences? The only thing I've experienced in the way of "tongues," are the times I've been to "charismatic" churches where everyone was babbling strangely. It was creepy to me as a kid and as an adult.> 

I know what you mean, it was for me too. The first time we went to a crusade there were many sitting behind us that were speaking in tongues and raising their hands and I was almost ready to get out of there. Then I started seeking what they had because they were all so happy and were praising and worshipping God. The more I listened, the more I sought. Finally I fasted for a week, only water, and still was not able to receive what I thought we were to seek for. Finally after the fast, in my devotion, I told my Lord that if He wanted me to speak in tongues, He would have to do it for me because I had tried everything that I could think of to be able to speak in tongues but still was not able to. 

Right there, within seconds, the Lord let me know, I guess through my spirit, that I was seeking the wrong thing. That I needed to seek the "giver" of the gifts before I could receive the gifts and within another few seconds, I felt the utterance coming from within and I began to speak in the words that I could not understand. I went back to bed and cried like a baby, tears of joy, with the Comforter within. 

I realized later that Satan will give us all kinds of fear to keep us from what the Lord has for us. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love, and of a sound mind, so the fear does not come from God but from the evil one. When we understand His word, we will be able to praise and worship Him as we are told we need to. 

The utterance is given from the Holy Spirit to us when He is received. This is what Paul taught to covet so the church could be edified. The way the church is edified is that the Holy Spirit is speaking "through" us when we speak and will give us the truths of His kingdom. Then after having faith in His word and acting upon it with the faith, we are able to hear His voice, do the works that He did that we are told to do, to be able to try the spirits by hearing them confess and have what Jesus said will follow them that believe. There is really nothing scary about the supernatural when we know who is in charge and He is our Shepherd. 

Love you. 

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  From:  amym38     9/16/2004 11:58 pm  
To:  inhiskingdom   (16 of 19)  
 
  906.16 in reply to 906.15  
 
Hi Norb,

Thanks for sharing all of that.  I do appreciate it.   I may come back later to share some things with you, too.   It's not an easy doctrinal issue to discuss sometimes.   But, again, thanks for sharing with me.

Amy

ps. I just wanted to say that I agree with you about what you wrote concerning fear.  We definitely do not need to live in fear when we are in Christ.

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  From:  inhiskingdom   9/17/2004 4:46 am  
To:  amym38    (17 of 19)  
 
  906.17 in reply to 906.16  
 
Hi. 
<I may come back later to share some things with you, too. It's not an easy doctrinal issue to discuss sometimes.> 

I understand. Do you mind if I share some things that I did not understand before I was filled? 

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  From:  amym38     9/18/2004 12:49 pm  
To:  inhiskingdom   (18 of 19)  
 
  906.18 in reply to 906.17  
 
Norb,

Please feel free to share anything you wish.

amy

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   From:  inhiskingdom   9/18/2004 1:39 pm  
To:  amym38    (19 of 19)  
 
  906.19 in reply to 906.18  
 
Hi. 
When Jesus told His disciples in Luke 24-49: "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high." This was what was to happen at Pentecost, the new covenant, to be put in place, where the Holy Spirit would indwell all believers. He would "fill them" with His spirit, Acts 2-4, and the believers would speak in the utterance they were given from the Holy Spirit. 

This is what Peter was speaking about after Pentecost, Acts 2-33, that they had seen and heard. This baptism of the Holy Ghost, Acts 1-5 had happened to the believers, not just the disciples but all believers. This was the promise of our Father for "all that were called of God" Acts 2-39. This was the power, that we can have from the Holy Spirit, that will enable us to do the works that Jesus did, casting out demons, and laying hands on the sick for healing and will allow us to hear the voice of our Shepherd, that Jesus said His sheep will hear. 

This is not automatically given to us when we believe. It is a seperate experience as shown to us in Acts 8 12-21. They were believers but the Holy Spirit had not fallen upon none of them until Peter and John came down from Jerusalem to pray for them, after they had believed, so that the Holy Spirit "might" fill them with Himself. Acts 8-15. The reason some do not get filled is because of not understanding, as Simon, his heart was not right in the sight of God. I did not receive for a few years because I did not understand who was filling me with Himself, even though I had believed that Jesus was in me as taught by the church we had been going to when we were saved. 

The scriptures are written to the ones that "have been filled" as it is written in 1st John, to the Christians in gereral so that we can know if the teachings are of God. 1st John 4 1-3: to try the spirits by hearing them confess, not to test any scripture with what is spoken. How can that prove or establish anything as we cannot "try" a spirit by the "flesh", our minds, our intellect. 

This is when we are enabled to "prophesy", to speak in tongues and the interpretation of these tongues as Paul teaches in 1st Corinthians 14 13-15. All of these vocal gifts are supernatural from the spiritual realm, from the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, within, when He is received. 

In His Love 
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